| Experts' Comments | |
| Question by Teemu Leinonen: |  |
| I have a question about scalability. Your system works with Flash and that's not open standard. | |
| Question by Peter Scott: | |
| Does it matter? | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Its the world wide web consortium recommendations, it is just common that we rely on open standards and that's not Flash. | |
| Question by Peter Scott: | |
| But how do you use the internet explorer. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Well we use internet explorer, yes that's right | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| Everything you can use is an open standard. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| But for example it doesn't work on my Mobil phone. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| Yes it does, works on mine. Flash works on my mobile phone. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Well it doesn't work on mine. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
So does internet explorer |
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| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| That's the point, it is web based it is, according to the world wide web consortium diverse of any platform. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| The critical issue is that it has to work, so it works on this, because Flash works on this. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Just to call it web based isn't right, because it's not according to the world wide web consortium. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| I don't care about that, honestly. I care about things working. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Flash can't be a future standard. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| We do a lot of open source and they are based on Java and so on, but a lot of that simply doesn't work very well. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| That's true and I agree. | |
| Question by Nick Kearney: | |
| I'm interested, when I see technologies like these, it all looks wonderful, how do people actually use it? | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| To do what, is the question. | |
| Question by Nick Kearney: | |
| Yes, I mean in your office, can you really use it as part of your working lives or is something to play with. You know what I mean. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| It's
a good point. This is all about innovation, actually just innovation. But
I can tell you. A: it works, B: it actually isn't that expensive. Macromedia wants to make some money out of this, and that's fine, I have no problem with this. The question is where the price falls. Microsoft is making money as well again I have …more problems with that, but actually if it works, I don't really care. I care about what I can do with it |
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| Comment by Nick Kearney: | |
| I
wonder whether it is an issue that to often it is too good. That first people
need to know how to use just IM for useful purposes within the organisation
before they are ready for other things. Sometimes its too advanced for some
kind of organisation. The innovator, the researcher is just the person who has the wonderful idea, and everybody is turned on by that vision, but to often the problem is that you don't reach like minded souls, and we don't know how to get out of that. There are people who think that this is wonderful, but they are almost scared. |
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| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| There are two useful things. One is to patronise the users, who are actually a lot smarter then you are saying and the other is to say it's their fault that the technology doesn't work. I mean, the reason you have trouble programming videos is that videos are so badly designed and so silly. Because it's badly designed, for no other reason. | |
| Comment by Eva Lisa Ahnström: | |
| The matter is that you don't know what you need before you just see some examples and then you can start and use it. The SMS and what it is today. It have been some youngsters that started with that, and now I can write them on the keyboard and I can do it much more easily because I'm not so fast with my thumbs. That is the kind of a development that has come from a need. Also the virtual conferences, using Video cameras when you are often communicating with people from different sites. Suddenly you find that it is very helpful if you can see the person. We have a lot of conferences and project meetings, where we use a small video camera and those things. And that speeded up our development process a lot. We don't need to meet face to face all over, but it is easier to talk to people when you can see their expressions. Before that, we had telephone meetings and then someone tried this and it became a need for us. | |
| Comment by Nick Kearney: | |
| With SMS, the use that was intended was something for quick messages, for really practical messages, they turned it into a conversation technology that invaded us. The real innovation is linguistic. But users don't always invent things in that way. Users very often just use the technology as it is. So it seems to me that you need to be thinking about it, when you introduce an innovation, thinking in learning terms, how the people use this innovation, how can we help them to learn it, how can we make them ready for each next step and the more complex virtual uses of the technology or the approaches that are into this. | |
| Comment by Eva Lisa Ahnström: | |
| Just one example , but in 5D this children have been working with Power Point and they have done that in a much different way. They experimented with videos with the sound and everything like that and it was a very good way for them for getting into the structure of a computer with handling files. So that was one way for them to learn what they are supposed to know. So you can also use that stuff, not standards, but those very usual tools. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| One more PowerPoint comment. I think, I'm using Power Point myself, just recall my presentation. I don't have anything against Microsoft software, they do great stuff. The problem comes if you ask me to send this slides. I'm not sending you PowerPoint slides, because then I'm asking you to use Microsoft too. That's the point. When it comes to collaboration or when it comes to communication I have to choose, am I asking other people to use Microsoft products, am I marketing the Microsoft product. I will make media files for you, which you can read whatever platform you are using, regardless of the software you have. And I think that's the important point. When you come to the communication when you come to sharing things, de facto standards are not very good. | |
| Comment by Christian von Craushaar: | |
| But you can open a Power Point presentation without an MS programme, open office for example. | |
| Comment by Teemu Leinonen: | |
| Yes, you can now. That is true. | |
| Comment by Peter Scott: | |
| Standards. It's a de facto a standard. No I agree, actually I agree. | |
| Comment by Barbara Jones: | |
| Thank you very much Peter for your presentation. Andrew will give his presentation now | |